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Re: What's our Acronym?

Arjan Tijms
 

With the terminology voting we just did a simple vote on the java.net mailing list ;)


Re: What's our Acronym?

Werner Keil
 

Will,

Doodle polls allows that.
AFAIK you can also restrict multiple choice answers to EG. 2 or 3.

Ask Heather/PMO how they use it, I believe it's free and we used it at some point for decisions in JSR 363

Werner


Re: ACTION REQUIRED: JSR-375 Expert Group

Will Hopkins
 

Thanks, David!

On 08/03/2017 01:04 AM, David Blevins wrote:
Hi Will,

I think the JSR is overall a step forward and I support it.

Like Arjan I also have a “too bad this missed the boat” list item.  When the spec launched in 2015, the need for JWTs were a bit fuzzy.  At some point between then and now their need became crystal clear.  I kick myself in the butt for not coming back and pushing for them sooner while there was still time :)

We will live to fight another day, what we have is a solid foundation, you’ve been an great lead and I really look forward to the next round!


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On Aug 1, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Will Hopkins <will.hopkins@...> wrote:

FYI, this message was also sent directly to EG members.


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: ACTION REQUIRED: JSR-375 Expert Group
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 19:26:38 -0400
From: Will Hopkins <will.hopkins@...>
To:


Expert Group:

I am preparing to submit the attached draft of the JSR-375 spec for a Final Approval Ballot. As part of the process, I need to confirm that the Expert Group agrees the JSR is ready to go to Final Release.

Members of the Expert Group, please reply to this mail to confirm that you agree the JSR is ready. Agreement will be assumed for Expert Group members who do not respond within 24 hours.

Thanks,

Will
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<jsr375-spec-1.0-fab.pdf>


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Re: What's our Acronym?

Will Hopkins
 

My understanding is that we're not supposed to use any third-party polling service, and I'm not aware that we have an internal one, so it would be great if someone else could set up the poll -- who set up the poll for the first EG meeting we had (at least, the first one after I became spec lead)?

So far, I think the candidates are:
  • JSA
  • JSAPI
  • JESAPI
  • SECAPI
  • JSECAPI
  • Security API (not an acronym, as with Servlet or Servlet API)
  • EE Security (same comment as above)
A poll that allows us to vote for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd choices, and tallies the results accordingly, would be really great, but I don't know if such a thing is readily available.

Will

On 08/04/2017 09:57 AM, Werner Keil wrote:
Actually I think groups.io even has a vote feature, but it does not seem enabled for JavaEE.

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Re: What's our Acronym?

Werner Keil
 

Actually I think groups.io even has a vote feature, but it does not seem enabled for JavaEE.


Re: What's our Acronym?

Werner Keil
 

Maybe Will who started the thread can use either Doodle (I know his PMO colleagues use that a lot e.g. to find F2F locations etc.) or something else with alternatives that comply with Oracle's Java branding guidelines or practices...


Re: What's our Acronym?

Arjan Tijms
 

JASPIC was alternatively called JASPI and JASPIC, talking about confusion :O

EE as abbreviation should be okay. It's either Java EE or EE, but never J2EE anymore or JEE :P

But yeah, let's start a vote ;)


Re: What's our Acronym?

Rudy De Busscher
 

So I guess we need some kind of voting for the different proposals so that we can decide on the most popular acronym.

like https://www.easypolls.net/ or https://www.poll-maker.com/ (these allow multiple selections and are free)

On 4 August 2017 at 15:17, Werner Keil <werner.keil@...> wrote:
Whether "Java EE" or simply "EE" I assume, Bill and others have a strict opinion on that, but your point is, that sometimes acronyms get so long and bulky, it's easier to just use the entire term.

"Servlet API" or "Servlets" are never really abbreviated. And we also use "Java Money API" or just "JavaMoney" (including the domain registered for the project) for JSR 354, not "JMoney" (which matches at least one money-related Open Source project) or "JavaMon" (which sounds like "Monitoring" not Money" ;-) 
So either "Java Security", "Java EE Security" or (if allowed) simply "EE Security" all sound good to me.



Re: What's our Acronym?

Werner Keil
 

Whether "Java EE" or simply "EE" I assume, Bill and others have a strict opinion on that, but your point is, that sometimes acronyms get so long and bulky, it's easier to just use the entire term.

"Servlet API" or "Servlets" are never really abbreviated. And we also use "Java Money API" or just "JavaMoney" (including the domain registered for the project) for JSR 354, not "JMoney" (which matches at least one money-related Open Source project) or "JavaMon" (which sounds like "Monitoring" not Money" ;-) 
So either "Java Security", "Java EE Security" or (if allowed) simply "EE Security" all sound good to me.


Re: What's our Acronym?

Arjan Tijms
 

Why not just "EE Security"?

Few characters shorter than "Spring Security" even, and nobody really feels the need to abbreviate that as far as I know ;)


Re: What's our Acronym?

Werner Keil
 

In that case to be fully correct it would have to be JavaEESECAPI ;-)


Re: What's our Acronym?

Rudy De Busscher
 

I prefer SECAPI, as it easily makes the link with the original long name.

On 4 August 2017 at 12:50, Werner Keil <werner.keil@...> wrote:
I guess compared to JASPIC it is not so bad either;-)

The majority of Java EE JSRs JTA, JPA, JMS, JSP or JSF prefer short 3-4 character ones, but e.g. "Servlets" I don't think they really got anything shorter there either.



Re: What's our Acronym?

Werner Keil
 

I guess compared to JASPIC it is not so bad either;-)

The majority of Java EE JSRs JTA, JPA, JMS, JSP or JSF prefer short 3-4 character ones, but e.g. "Servlets" I don't think they really got anything shorter there either.


Re: What's our Acronym?

Guillermo González de Agüero
 

What about JSECAPI then?


El vie., 4 de agosto de 2017 12:14, Werner Keil <werner.keil@...> escribió:
Has anybody ever argued that
  • JSP
  • JSF

sounded too much like JavaScript?;-)

The only issue compared to those could be that "JS" in the Java and JCP context often stands for "Java Server" but then Java Security API works primarily with Servlets and Web applications, too, so that does not seem a big issue if an acronym started with "JS" in this case.

Werner


Re: What's our Acronym?

Werner Keil
 

Has anybody ever argued that
  • JSP
  • JSF

sounded too much like JavaScript?;-)

The only issue compared to those could be that "JS" in the Java and JCP context often stands for "Java Server" but then Java Security API works primarily with Servlets and Web applications, too, so that does not seem a big issue if an acronym started with "JS" in this case.

Werner


Re: What's our Acronym?

Werner Keil
 

Sure JSON-P also has the problem that "JSON with Padding" uses the exact same acronym in this case. 
There isn't even anybody tracking the 100k or more JavaScript APIs that come and go on a regular basis, so not sure if an acronym without even a "J" in it was clearer than one with it...?

Somebody parked http://jsa.io/ but it's probably just a domain grabber hoping for a bargain by a short acronym. No JavaScript project using it ;-)


Re: What's our Acronym?

David Delabassee
 

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 10:38 pm, Guillermo González de Agüero wrote:
SECAPI sounds good to me. Clearer than JSA
I agree. Anything with 'JS' sounds very JavaScript'ish to my ears.

--David


Re: What's our Acronym?

Werner Keil
 

IMO SECAPI sounds like some position in the US Armed Forces (like SecNAV, many also outside the US might know it from NCIS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Secretary_of_the_Navy)

There seem to be few international acronyms like JSA: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSA
Could not find an English page, but especially with relation to the Java EE Guardians (sounds like a Marvel Superhero team) JSA being another acronym for "Justice League" at DC Comics is probably something we can live with. Especially since the Duke mascot (https://github.com/javaee-security-spec, can't say if it made its way into the new page) even has some similarities with Captain America or Wonderwoman due to his shield ;-)

Werner


Re: What's our Acronym?

Ivar Grimstad
 

JSA sounds good to me.


On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 7:38 AM Guillermo González de Agüero <z06.guillermo@...> wrote:
SECAPI sounds good to me. Clearer than JSA.


Regards,

Guillermo González de Agüero


El vie., 4 de agosto de 2017 2:16, Will Hopkins <will.hopkins@...> escribió:
JSR-375 needs an acronym -- there are times when neither JSR-375 nor "Java EE Security API" are appropriate in context -- block diagrams showing all the Java EE technologies, for example.

I seem to recall people weren't very enthusiastic about JESAPI or JSAPI -- how about SECAPI? Any other ideas?

Will
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Re: What's our Acronym?

Guillermo González de Agüero
 

SECAPI sounds good to me. Clearer than JSA.


Regards,

Guillermo González de Agüero


El vie., 4 de agosto de 2017 2:16, Will Hopkins <will.hopkins@...> escribió:
JSR-375 needs an acronym -- there are times when neither JSR-375 nor "Java EE Security API" are appropriate in context -- block diagrams showing all the Java EE technologies, for example.

I seem to recall people weren't very enthusiastic about JESAPI or JSAPI -- how about SECAPI? Any other ideas?

Will
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Oracle Application Development
35 Network Drive, Burlington, MA 01803

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