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Welcome to the new JSR 366 mailing list

Linda DeMichiel
 

Welcome to the new JSR 366 mailing list!

This list replaces the Java EE Expert Group mailing lists that were
previously hosted on java.net. This is now a single mailing list which
includes both experts and users.

Our transition from java.net has thus far gone remarkably smoothly,
and is expected to result in only a very minimal delay from our
previously announced completion target of July.

All but one of our Java EE 8 component JSRs are now at the Public
Review stage or later, and all but one of our targeted MRs have been
posted for review or completed. Among the most recent accomplishments
are the Final Releases of JSON-P 1.1 and CDI 2.0, and the submission
of JPA and JavaMail for Maintenance Review. The Java EE Security API
spec will appear shortly for Public Review and the Interceptors spec
for Maintenance Review. The Java EE 8 Platform and the Bean Validation
specs will begin their Public Review Ballot phase next week.

regards,

-Linda
Java EE 8 PR review

Kevin Sutter
 

Hi Linda and Bill,
Trying out this new javaee.groups.io mailing list...  I don't see any existing messages yet, so it's been pretty quiet...

I just finished reviewing the PR drafts for the Platform and Web Profile Java EE 8 specifications.  Looks good.  Not a lot of changes since the EDR2, mainly clean up.

A couple of items though...

o  You still have references to Java Batch 1.1 MR in the TOC, Table EE.6-1, and Section EE.6.18.  I know we talked about an MR for Java Batch, but that never became real.  So, these references should be reverted to Java Batch 1.0.  (BTW, section EE.9.7 is okay.  You missed that one.)

o  I'm still not thrilled with the new dependency on JASPIC for Security 1.0 and, in turn, the Web Profile.  I know we already talked about this in the mailing lists and my concern was overruled by the majority, so I'll live with it.  But, it still seems kind of backward to require this archaic spec in the Web Profile.  (I'll brace myself for the hate mail on that remark.  Smile.)

Other than that, it looks good.

Thanks!
Kevin
Re: Java EE 8 PR review

Linda DeMichiel
 

Hi Kevin,

On 5/25/17, 1:31 PM, Kevin Sutter wrote:
Hi Linda and Bill,
Trying out this new javaee.groups.io mailing list...  I don't see any existing messages yet, so it's been pretty quiet...

I just finished reviewing the PR drafts for the Platform and Web Profile Java EE 8 specifications.  Looks good.  Not a lot of changes since the EDR2, mainly clean up.

A couple of items though...

o  You still have references to Java Batch 1.1 MR in the TOC, Table EE.6-1, and Section EE.6.18.  I know we talked about an MR for Java Batch, but that never became real.  So, these references should be reverted to Java Batch 1.0.  (BTW, section EE.9.7 is okay.  You missed that one.)

Thanks for catching this.   I'll correct this in the next draft.
o  I'm still not thrilled with the new dependency on JASPIC for Security 1.0 and, in turn, the Web Profile.  I know we already talked about this in the mailing lists and my concern was overruled by the majority, so I'll live with it.  But, it still seems kind of backward to require this archaic spec in the Web Profile.  (I'll brace myself for the hate mail on that remark.  Smile.)

Other than that, it looks good.

thanks!

-Linda


Thanks!
Kevin
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Java EE 9?

Arjan Tijms
 

Hi,

During last JavaOne I somewhat got the impression (but may have interpreted it wrongly), that the work for Java EE 9 would more or less start in parallel with finalising Java EE 8. 

Since Java EE 8 is now being being finalised, I wonder what the Java EE 9 plans are at this moment. If it's indeed to be released in about a year after the Java EE 8 release, then shouldn't some JSRs start pretty soon now?

Kind regards,
Arjan Tijms
Re: Welcome to the new JSR 366 mailing list

Linda DeMichiel
 

On 5/25/17, 1:36 PM, Linda DeMichiel wrote:
Welcome to the new JSR 366 mailing list!

This list replaces the Java EE Expert Group mailing lists that were
previously hosted on java.net. This is now a single mailing list which
includes both experts and users.

Our transition from java.net has thus far gone remarkably smoothly,
and is expected to result in only a very minimal delay from our
previously announced completion target of July.

All but one of our Java EE 8 component JSRs are now at the Public
Review stage or later, and all but one of our targeted MRs have been
posted for review or completed. Among the most recent accomplishments
are the Final Releases of JSON-P 1.1 and CDI 2.0, and the submission
of JPA and JavaMail for Maintenance Review. The Java EE Security API
spec will appear shortly for Public Review and the Interceptors spec
for Maintenance Review. The Java EE 8 Platform and the Bean Validation
specs will begin their Public Review Ballot phase next week.
A quick update....

The Java EE Security API spec has now been posted for Public Review
as well, and the Interceptors spec for Maintenance Review.


regards,

-Linda
Re: Java EE 9?

Linda DeMichiel
 

Right now our focus has been entirely on completing Java EE 8 and
our deliverables for Java SE 9, and we hope to deliver them later this
summer. Needless to say, the migration off of java.net has made our
target deadlines quite challenging. I expect we will have more to
say about our overall Java strategy and plans at JavaOne following
Java EE 8 and Java SE 9 delivery.

-Linda

On 5/25/17, 4:26 PM, Arjan Tijms wrote:
Hi,

During last JavaOne I somewhat got the impression (but may have
interpreted it wrongly), that the work for Java EE 9 would more or less
start in parallel with finalising Java EE 8.

Since Java EE 8 is now being being finalised, I wonder what the Java EE
9 plans are at this moment. If it's indeed to be released in about a
year after the Java EE 8 release, then shouldn't some JSRs start pretty
soon now?

Kind regards,
Arjan Tijms
Re: Java EE 9?

Arjan Tijms
 

Hi,

Thanks for the update Linda.

I wonder if there aren't any direct plans to file an update for some Java EE constituent JSRs soon whether some of them might be eligible for a transfer to interested community members and/or foundations? I'm thinking along the lines of MVC which was transferred to Ivar.

That way for some of the JSRs that are perhaps less important to Oracle planning can already start and the overal burden of Oracle having to work on so many JSRs could possibly be reduced.

Kind regards,
Arjan Tijms




On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Linda DeMichiel <linda.demichiel@...> wrote:

Right now our focus has been entirely on completing Java EE 8 and
our deliverables for Java SE 9, and we hope to deliver them later this
summer.  Needless to say, the migration off of java.net has made our
target deadlines quite challenging.  I expect we will have more to
say about our overall Java strategy and plans at JavaOne following
Java EE 8 and Java SE 9 delivery.

-Linda


On 5/25/17, 4:26 PM, Arjan Tijms wrote:
Hi,

During last JavaOne I somewhat got the impression (but may have
interpreted it wrongly), that the work for Java EE 9 would more or less
start in parallel with finalising Java EE 8.

Since Java EE 8 is now being being finalised, I wonder what the Java EE
9 plans are at this moment. If it's indeed to be released in about a
year after the Java EE 8 release, then shouldn't some JSRs start pretty
soon now?

Kind regards,
Arjan Tijms


Java EE tutorial sources

Guillermo González de Agüero
 

Hi,

The new Java EE site states the tutorial sources have been archived [1]. Github really simplifies contributions over the old java.net site, and I the tutorial is a very valuable piece of the Java EE ecosystem. It may well benefit from community contributions.

Could its sources please be made available again?

I've cc'ed the EE spec mailing list to get some more visibility.


Regards,
Re: Java EE 9?

Arjan Tijms
 

Hi Linda,

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 9:06 PM, Arjan Tijms <arjan.tijms@...> wrote:
I wonder if there aren't any direct plans to file an update for some Java EE constituent JSRs soon whether some of them might be eligible for a transfer to interested community members and/or foundations? I'm thinking along the lines of MVC which was transferred to Ivar.

Just a friendly ping since it has been almost a week. Would really like to hear your thoughts on the above.

Thanks!

Kind regards,
Arjan Tijms



 

That way for some of the JSRs that are perhaps less important to Oracle planning can already start and the overal burden of Oracle having to work on so many JSRs could possibly be reduced.

Kind regards,
Arjan Tijms




On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Linda DeMichiel <linda.demichiel@...> wrote:

Right now our focus has been entirely on completing Java EE 8 and
our deliverables for Java SE 9, and we hope to deliver them later this
summer.  Needless to say, the migration off of java.net has made our
target deadlines quite challenging.  I expect we will have more to
say about our overall Java strategy and plans at JavaOne following
Java EE 8 and Java SE 9 delivery.

-Linda


On 5/25/17, 4:26 PM, Arjan Tijms wrote:
Hi,

During last JavaOne I somewhat got the impression (but may have
interpreted it wrongly), that the work for Java EE 9 would more or less
start in parallel with finalising Java EE 8.

Since Java EE 8 is now being being finalised, I wonder what the Java EE
9 plans are at this moment. If it's indeed to be released in about a
year after the Java EE 8 release, then shouldn't some JSRs start pretty
soon now?

Kind regards,
Arjan Tijms



Java EE 8 - Release Date

Josh Juneau
 

Hi Linda/All,

Hope all is well.  Earlier this week, Mark Reinhold posted an email proposing to move the release date of JDK 9 back to September 21 (http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/jdk9-dev/2017-May/005864.html).  As such, do you believe that the proposed delay would have any impact on the release date of Java EE 8?  

Since Java EE 8 is going to align with Java SE 8, I imagine that there should be no major technical impact if Java EE 8 were released prior to Java SE 9, but I'm just not certain of Oracle's release plan. 

Thanks for your time and insight, it is appreciated.

Thanks
Josh Juneau
juneau001@...
Where are we discussing the Interceptor spec?

Kevin Sutter
 

Hi,
Are we discussing the updated Interceptor spec here?  I know we had some discussions related to this update on the Java EE mailing list, but since it was released as part of the EJB family of specs, should we comment on the EJB mailing list?

I ran this update past our CDI EG member and she discussed it with the wider Weld community (RI).  It sounds like there is an issue with CDI and some of the proposed updates.  Weld opened the following spec issue, but I thought it would be good to post to it to the wider community to ensure that everybody can discuss it.

https://github.com/javaee/interceptors-spec/issues/33

Maybe I'm doing that just be posting this message?  :-)

Thanks,
Kevin
Re: Where are we discussing the Interceptor spec?

Linda DeMichiel
 

Hi Kevin,

Thanks for calling this to my intention.  It looks like
the spec was ambiguous enough that it could be parsed
with a meaning that I did not intend.  I'll comment further
on the JIRA issue and then clarify the spec.

We set up a groups.io mailing list for the Interceptors
spec (https://javaee.groups.io/g/interceptors-spec), so
it would be best to pursue interceptors-specific topics
there.

regards,

-Linda


On 6/2/17, 11:12 AM, Kevin Sutter wrote:
Hi,
Are we discussing the updated Interceptor spec here?  I know we had some discussions related to this update on the Java EE mailing list, but since it was released as part of the EJB family of specs, should we comment on the EJB mailing list?

I ran this update past our CDI EG member and she discussed it with the wider Weld community (RI).  It sounds like there is an issue with CDI and some of the proposed updates.  Weld opened the following spec issue, but I thought it would be good to post to it to the wider community to ensure that everybody can discuss it.

https://github.com/javaee/interceptors-spec/issues/33

Maybe I'm doing that just be posting this message?  :-)

Thanks,
Kevin
Re: Where are we discussing the Interceptor spec?

Kevin Sutter
 

Thanks, Linda.  I'll cross-post to the interceptor mailing list as well just to complete the picture...

Kevin

On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Linda DeMichiel <linda.demichiel@...> wrote:
Hi Kevin,

Thanks for calling this to my intention.  It looks like
the spec was ambiguous enough that it could be parsed
with a meaning that I did not intend.  I'll comment further
on the JIRA issue and then clarify the spec.

We set up a groups.io mailing list for the Interceptors
spec (https://javaee.groups.io/g/interceptors-spec), so
it would be best to pursue interceptors-specific topics
there.

regards,

-Linda



On 6/2/17, 11:12 AM, Kevin Sutter wrote:
Hi,
Are we discussing the updated Interceptor spec here?  I know we had some discussions related to this update on the Java EE mailing list, but since it was released as part of the EJB family of specs, should we comment on the EJB mailing list?

I ran this update past our CDI EG member and she discussed it with the wider Weld community (RI).  It sounds like there is an issue with CDI and some of the proposed updates.  Weld opened the following spec issue, but I thought it would be good to post to it to the wider community to ensure that everybody can discuss it.

https://github.com/javaee/interceptors-spec/issues/33

Maybe I'm doing that just be posting this message?  :-)

Thanks,
Kevin
Location of downloadable files?

Kevin Sutter
 

Hi Linda,
Where can we get access to downloadable files?  The current groups.io repo doesn't have any files (https://javaee.groups.io/g/javaee-spec/files).  And, if I try to go to our old repo on java.net (https://java.net/projects/javaee-spec/downloads), we are no longer allowed access.  Not only am I interested in the early drafts of the Java EE 8 specs, javadocs, schemas, etc, but also the older versions. 

Thanks, Kevin
Re: Location of downloadable files?

Linda DeMichiel
 

Hi Kevin,

The downloadables from our old projects have not yet been migrated.  I believe that will happen at
some point this summer.

All milestone spec drafts can be found on the JCP JSR pages (e.g., https://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=366).
Schema files are here: http://www.oracle.com/webfolder/technetwork/jsc/xml/ns/javaee/index.html

hth,

-Linda




On 6/6/17, 7:13 AM, Kevin Sutter wrote:
Hi Linda,
Where can we get access to downloadable files?  The current groups.io repo doesn't have any files (https://javaee.groups.io/g/javaee-spec/files).  And, if I try to go to our old repo on java.net (https://java.net/projects/javaee-spec/downloads), we are no longer allowed access.  Not only am I interested in the early drafts of the Java EE 8 specs, javadocs, schemas, etc, but also the older versions. 

Thanks, Kevin
Re: Location of downloadable files?

Kevin Sutter
 

Thanks, Linda.  Do we expect any early versions of the schemas before the Java EE 8 spec finalizes?  I wouldn't expect too many changes, just looking ahead...  Thanks.

-- Kevin


On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 11:19 am, Linda DeMichiel wrote:
http://www.oracle.com/webfolder/technetwork/jsc/xml/ns/javaee/index.html

 
Re: Location of downloadable files?

Linda DeMichiel
 

Since some specs are still evolving, I would expect this closer to the end.

-Linda


On 6/6/17, 11:29 AM, Kevin Sutter wrote:
Thanks, Linda.  Do we expect any early versions of the schemas before the Java EE 8 spec finalizes?  I wouldn't expect too many changes, just looking ahead...  Thanks.

-- Kevin

On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 11:19 am, Linda DeMichiel wrote:
http://www.oracle.com/webfolder/technetwork/jsc/xml/ns/javaee/index.html

 
Re: Location of downloadable files?

Bill Shannon
 

All the downloads from our original java.net project are still available in the GitHub repository here.  I should probably add a link from the web site to make it more obvious.

Kevin Sutter wrote on 06/ 6/17 07:13 AM:

Hi Linda,
Where can we get access to downloadable files?  The current groups.io repo doesn't have any files (https://javaee.groups.io/g/javaee-spec/files).  And, if I try to go to our old repo on java.net (https://java.net/projects/javaee-spec/downloads), we are no longer allowed access.  Not only am I interested in the early drafts of the Java EE 8 specs, javadocs, schemas, etc, but also the older versions. 

Thanks, Kevin
Re: Location of downloadable files?

Bill Shannon
 

Note that the schemas are in GitHub here.

Kevin Sutter wrote on 06/ 6/17 11:29 AM:

Thanks, Linda.  Do we expect any early versions of the schemas before the Java EE 8 spec finalizes?  I wouldn't expect too many changes, just looking ahead...  Thanks.

-- Kevin

On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 11:19 am, Linda DeMichiel wrote:
http://www.oracle.com/webfolder/technetwork/jsc/xml/ns/javaee/index.html

 
Re: Location of downloadable files?

Kevin Sutter
 

Excellent, Bill!  Thanks for that link.  I agree that we need that link somewhere more obvious.

--  Kevin

On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Bill Shannon <bill.shannon@...> wrote:
All the downloads from our original java.net project are still available in the GitHub repository here.  I should probably add a link from the web site to make it more obvious.

Kevin Sutter wrote on 06/ 6/17 07:13 AM:
Hi Linda,
Where can we get access to downloadable files?  The current groups.io repo doesn't have any files (https://javaee.groups.io/g/javaee-spec/files).  And, if I try to go to our old repo on java.net (https://java.net/projects/javaee-spec/downloads), we are no longer allowed access.  Not only am I interested in the early drafts of the Java EE 8 specs, javadocs, schemas, etc, but also the older versions. 

Thanks, Kevin
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